Ooook, let's look at simple physics. A decent sized ship plowing into another ship at a high rate of speed will do far more damage than a small ship impacting a moon sized station. Therefore the whole "plot hole that broke star wars" crap is irrelevant.
You missed the point entirely. It wasn't possible to do this in the Star Wars universe until they wrote it down. Hyperspace brought you into another dimension and you came out back into our own somewhere else. If it had been possible, people would've used kamikaze ships long ago
So... simple physics: The video claims it was kicked into "light speed". At the speed of light an object would have infinite mass. Infinite mass multiplied by any previous mass is infinity. So it doesn't matter what the ships size is.
Of course despite what the video claims hyperspace is not light speed, it is travelling via another dimension. So essentially the speed is redundant, it is just materializing inside of another ship... Now lets consider the bomb payload of a single of those paper bombers was enough to destroy a dreadnought, an especially large space vessel. Surely if you could hyperdrive inside another ship they could pack such a payload into a hyperspace capable ship and launch it inside a death star or anything else. I mean you only need one vaguely near that exhaust port and you are in the money.
Since the movies are the original, they are canon, as the movies created the universe. It is opposite with comic books when fans get upset at movies not following the author. There would be no books or anything else without the movies. Anyone who wrote a book based off the movie, or a derivative of the ideas from the movies is using Lucas Films idea's, which they can only speculate on what might have happened. Movies trump everything.
The last Jedi Book talked how that ship has a different type of hyper drive and was put into a state that would cause the most damage.....too risky to leave to a droid to screw it up!
Not even close to breaking the franchise. What did the rebellion have that was even close to big enough to go through the Star Wars. Their first flagship was barely bigger than a medical frigate. The rebellion never used kamakazi cause it’s not in their nature until she became desperate to let the remaining rebels get to the base. It sure would have destroyed all the other destroyers but I’m not gonna look too deep into to criticize. It was merely a twist that has never been seen before and I thought it was just fine.
yes a small fighter would not have done enough damage to take out a death star. but an asteroid could. why wouldnt the rebels use freighters with droid pilots to take out star destroyers.
and to those who say rebels wouldnt do this. why spend the billions it must have cost to build the death star when hyperspacing an asteroid into a planet that would devastate it for pennies compared to the construction cost
You're overthinking it. The death star never made any sense when you think about it logically. You wouldn't even need to hyperspace an asteroid into a planet. Just dragging it to the planet then letting it drop into the atmosphere would make the planet uninhabitable for centuries. Almost nothing about star wars is realistic, and anyone who is criticizing the new movies for not being realistic is missing the point.
How actually researching the ship the Raddus. It had experimental shields that actually allowed and caused the first order's destruction. So, no plot hole. Do some research before you start bitching about stuff that's been resolved for more than a year.
Holdo as a character ruined tlj then there was the manoeuvre,, I'd say since there's such a large following to remove the whole tlj movie from canon the creators should at least meet them halfway and remove the disgustingly obtrusive holdo character in a remastered version installing what everyone wanted in the first place- more Akbar more lines FOR Akbar
To be fair, a “Kamakaze Maneuver” was done before in Star Wars. The Asian pilot in Return of the Jedi crashed into the bridge of Vader’s Command Ship causing it to fall into the Death Star.
No, it didn't 'break' it, but it did open up some holes. You can always fill the blanks with metaphysics just as the awesome Thrawn-trilogies does. Maybe the maneuver require you to just take a tiny jump into hyperspace and they go back again and most ships are protected against such maneuvers because it would cause them to fall into the micro singularity projection ahead of the ship cause the hyperjump to begin with (this is a recurring theme in many scifi plots). She couldn't rely on a droid to do this hack because she was out of time to set it up (any non standard protocol must be prepared). Maybe she considers droids sentient living things with rights? Maybe it's equally possible that the explosion happens in a different direction as the ship spins around the projected singularity and it was a long shot? Maybe the singularity isn't to be understood as something related to gravity and inertia but something more related to the Force? This opens up even more magical theory which can grow arbitrarily consistent until proven wrong ;)
The movie has to many faults. Example when the Supreme commander of the rebels crash the ship against the Stardestroyer. Snoke did not saw that coming. Duh! He did not use the force. He die like he was defenseless. Come on! The Mary Poppins part is awful. Why did they not speed up the process!? The choice of the extra actors: Terrible
Still curious how you’re all ok with spaceships flying like airplanes, lightsabers, wearing only an oxygen mask in a vacuum, Hutts as dominant life forms, explosions in space, etc., etc., etc., and somehow this breaks Star Wars. Science Fiction people.
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yes it did
ReplyDeleteNo, you all read too much into things.
ReplyDeleteOoook, let's look at simple physics. A decent sized ship plowing into another ship at a high rate of speed will do far more damage than a small ship impacting a moon sized station. Therefore the whole "plot hole that broke star wars" crap is irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteYou missed the point entirely. It wasn't possible to do this in the Star Wars universe until they wrote it down. Hyperspace brought you into another dimension and you came out back into our own somewhere else. If it had been possible, people would've used kamikaze ships long ago
DeleteSo... simple physics: The video claims it was kicked into "light speed". At the speed of light an object would have infinite mass. Infinite mass multiplied by any previous mass is infinity. So it doesn't matter what the ships size is.
DeleteOf course despite what the video claims hyperspace is not light speed, it is travelling via another dimension. So essentially the speed is redundant, it is just materializing inside of another ship... Now lets consider the bomb payload of a single of those paper bombers was enough to destroy a dreadnought, an especially large space vessel. Surely if you could hyperdrive inside another ship they could pack such a payload into a hyperspace capable ship and launch it inside a death star or anything else. I mean you only need one vaguely near that exhaust port and you are in the money.
So yeah it still breaks Star Wars.
no. but the flying nun and force projection (that can transfer water and interact with physical objects) did..... RESPECT THE CANNON!
ReplyDeleteDo you forget that Luke battled Vader in a similar force projection while training with Yoda? Know your cannon!!
DeleteSince the movies are the original, they are canon, as the movies created the universe. It is opposite with comic books when fans get upset at movies not following the author. There would be no books or anything else without the movies. Anyone who wrote a book based off the movie, or a derivative of the ideas from the movies is using Lucas Films idea's, which they can only speculate on what might have happened. Movies trump everything.
DeleteThe last Jedi Book talked how that ship has a different type of hyper drive and was put into a state that would cause the most damage.....too risky to leave to a droid to screw it up!
ReplyDeletethats called. oh sh#$! when messed up. now lets fix this somehow
DeleteNot even close to breaking the franchise. What did the rebellion have that was even close to big enough to go through the Star Wars. Their first flagship was barely bigger than a medical frigate. The rebellion never used kamakazi cause it’s not in their nature until she became desperate to let the remaining rebels get to the base. It sure would have destroyed all the other destroyers but I’m not gonna look too deep into to criticize. It was merely a twist that has never been seen before and I thought it was just fine.
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ReplyDeletea small fighter would not have done enough damage to take out a death star. but an asteroid could. why wouldnt the rebels use freighters with droid pilots to take out star destroyers.
think about it.
Dude, size matters not, a rock going lightspeed yields an almost nuclear size explosion.
DeleteHan landing on Starkiller base at light speed killed it before this. Now the whole franchise is an episode of Family Guy to me.
Deleteand to those who say rebels wouldnt do this. why spend the billions it must have cost to build the death star when hyperspacing an asteroid into a planet that would devastate it for pennies compared to the construction cost
ReplyDeleteYou're overthinking it. The death star never made any sense when you think about it logically. You wouldn't even need to hyperspace an asteroid into a planet. Just dragging it to the planet then letting it drop into the atmosphere would make the planet uninhabitable for centuries. Almost nothing about star wars is realistic, and anyone who is criticizing the new movies for not being realistic is missing the point.
DeleteWASTE OF TIME
ReplyDeleteHow actually researching the ship the Raddus. It had experimental shields that actually allowed and caused the first order's destruction. So, no plot hole. Do some research before you start bitching about stuff that's been resolved for more than a year.
ReplyDelete*How actually researching the Raddus helps to understand this so called plot hole.*
DeleteWas their experimental nature mentioned in the movie I and everyone else paid to see?
DeleteNo, you say that chunk of the movie script was taken out - leaving a hole in the plot - and explained elsewhere?
Thank you for agreeing with the consensus the movie had a plot hole.
sent thousands of caravan to break the border...not much at first....slowly the empire will fall
ReplyDeleteHoldo as a character ruined tlj then there was the manoeuvre,,
ReplyDeleteI'd say since there's such a large following to remove the whole tlj movie from canon the creators should at least meet them halfway and remove the disgustingly obtrusive holdo character in a remastered version installing what everyone wanted in the first place- more Akbar more lines FOR Akbar
To be fair, a “Kamakaze Maneuver” was done before in Star Wars. The Asian pilot in Return of the Jedi crashed into the bridge of Vader’s Command Ship causing it to fall into the Death Star.
ReplyDeleteJJ Abrams broke Star Wars with The Force Awakens.
ReplyDeletethanks filshah
ReplyDeleteNo, it didn't 'break' it, but it did open up some holes. You can always fill the blanks with metaphysics just as the awesome Thrawn-trilogies does. Maybe the maneuver require you to just take a tiny jump into hyperspace and they go back again and most ships are protected against such maneuvers because it would cause them to fall into the micro singularity projection ahead of the ship cause the hyperjump to begin with (this is a recurring theme in many scifi plots). She couldn't rely on a droid to do this hack because she was out of time to set it up (any non standard protocol must be prepared). Maybe she considers droids sentient living things with rights? Maybe it's equally possible that the explosion happens in a different direction as the ship spins around the projected singularity and it was a long shot? Maybe the singularity isn't to be understood as something related to gravity and inertia but something more related to the Force? This opens up even more magical theory which can grow arbitrarily consistent until proven wrong ;)
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ReplyDeleteThe movie has to many faults. Example when the Supreme commander of the rebels crash the ship against the Stardestroyer. Snoke did not saw that coming. Duh! He did not use the force. He die like he was defenseless. Come on! The Mary Poppins part is awful. Why did they not speed up the process!? The choice of the extra actors: Terrible
ReplyDeleteRian Johnson broke Star Wars
ReplyDeleteStill, cheers to George Lucas for walking away with billions!
ReplyDeleteStill curious how you’re all ok with spaceships flying like airplanes, lightsabers, wearing only an oxygen mask in a vacuum, Hutts as dominant life forms, explosions in space, etc., etc., etc., and somehow this breaks Star Wars. Science Fiction people.
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